Something has shifted at Watford Football Club.
After two humiliating defeats, nine goals conceded and a remarkable few days that have seen Sir Elton John and former players speak out, Jon, Jason, David and Mike come together for a very different kind of Debrief.
There's anger and frustration, but also a deep sadness about what supporting Watford has become. Has the club reached a tipping point? Can the growing unrest among supporters bring about meaningful change? And what, if anything, can Gino Pozzo say to restore the trust that appears to have been lost?
The panel discuss the proposed meeting between Pozzo and Roy Moore, the importance of visible and sustained fan protests, and whether the new Independent Football Regulator could eventually have a role to play.
But beyond the ownership, the finances and the football, there's a more personal question running through this episode: when the enjoyment has gone, what is there left to hold on to?
A sombre, passionate and occasionally darkly funny conversation about a football club that means so much to so many.
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